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Re: [nmglug] Poweroff Re: Re: Solved Re: Zombie desktop artifact
by Jonathan Haack 15 Aug '19

15 Aug '19

"toma@debian10kdeHPnb:~$ shutdown -r now bash: shutdown: command not found" You need to run as "sudo" as it is not in your PATH for user: tom JMH On 8/14/19 10:38 PM, Tom Ashcraft wrote: > > Thanks, Jonathan, > > But apparently things have recently changed with the release of Buster. > > Ctrl-Alt-Del still gets you out of the desktop--if you happen to be > still in the desktop--which in my case, I was not. I believe that in > my desperation I tried it, but to be honest, I can't clearly remember. > > At any rate, the first article I happened to look at (the link below > yours) claims that 'shutdown' is no longer with us: > > "Debian 10 has now fully switched to Systemd which means that the > traditional commands to halt or reboot a system like 'shutdown -h now' > or 'reboot' will not work anymore. ..." > > Tom > > toma@debian10kdeHPnb:~$ shutdown -r now > bash: shutdown: command not found > > On 8/14/19 10:08 PM, Jonathan Haack wrote: >> >> You may want to consider the shutdown command, it can be configured >> with much more than the legacy reboot and poweroff commands: >> > https://debian-administration.org/article/89/Shutting_down_your_Debian_mach… > > ^^Posted by Steve > <https://debian-administration.org/users/Steve> on Fri 11 Feb 2005 at > 13:33^^ >> >> Jonathan >> >> On 8/14/19 10:05 PM, Tom Ashcraft wrote: >>> >>> Yep, systemd. This explains it: >>> >>> https://www.faqforge.com/linux/distributions/debian/how-to-shutdown-or-rebo… >>> >>> sudo systemctl poweroff >>> >>> sudo systemctl reboot >>> >>> >>> On 8/14/19 9:30 PM, Tom Ashcraft wrote: >>>> >>>> OK guys, >>>> >>>> I lucked out and stumbled on the fix for my artifact. Turns out >>>> the message on the screen can be removed with the same key >>>> combinations as used to remove widgets *from the panel*, i.e. >>>> 'Alt-D, R'. I think. Now I can't find where I saw that out of >>>> context. Anyway, having done that fixes the problem installing >>>> one-click launchers to the panels too. >>>> >>>> I can go to bed happy tonight because *everything* I've set up is >>>> now working correctly. Definitely KDE Plasma and definitely not >>>> Kubuntu. >>>> >>>> But I still need to figure out how to get terminal >>>> shutdown/reboot/halt installed. Back to all that excellent >>>> documentation in the wikis and the desktop. Must be in there >>>> somewhere. >>>> >>>> Tom >>>> >>>> On 8/14/19 7:46 PM, Tom Ashcraft wrote: >>>>> Hello NMGLUG, >>>>> >>>>> I've got a two-day old install of Debian 10 with KDE Plasma >>>>> desktop ... >>>>> >>>>> *'ctrl-alt-esc' will kill Plasma (but leave application windows >>>>> running, presumably because they run in different threads) but I >>>>> don't yet know how to restart Plasma from the terminal, and for >>>>> some reason there is no 'shutdown', 'reboot' or 'halt' command >>>>> installed. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nmglug mailing list >>>>> nmglug(a)lists.nmglug.org >>>>> http://lists.nmglug.org/listinfo.cgi/nmglug-nmglug.org >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nmglug mailing list >>>> nmglug(a)lists.nmglug.org >>>> http://lists.nmglug.org/listinfo.cgi/nmglug-nmglug.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nmglug mailing list >>> nmglug(a)lists.nmglug.org >>> http://lists.nmglug.org/listinfo.cgi/nmglug-nmglug.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nmglug mailing list >> nmglug(a)lists.nmglug.org >> http://lists.nmglug.org/listinfo.cgi/nmglug-nmglug.org

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Re: [nmglug] Poweroff Re: Re: Solved Re: Zombie desktop artifact
by Jonathan Haack 14 Aug '19

14 Aug '19

The shutdown command was marked for deprecation way back in 2015, but it was not accepted. I can assure you it is fully functional and all flags are operational as I have been running Buster for some time now. (To be certain, I just tested it for you). With fairness to you, however, I did not notice that you prepended "systemctl" to your commands and read too quickly. Yes, those are the most modern ways of shutting down and rebooting. In looking at it quickly, it seemed you wrote sudo poweroff sudo reboot Which are legacy - and I will be honest - I still use a ton and could care less for non-server machines. I read it so quickly your systemctl looked like sudo to my eyes. With that said, the article you shared is completely full of it ... and like everything with systemd, the designers always symlink all the commands backwards and forwards with few exceptions, so the commands I put above work, shutdown works, and so, of course, does systemctl. This is similar to how: sudo systemctl restart apache2 OR sudo service apache2 restart OR sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart ALL work within systemd ... That was Leondard P's whole philosophy from day 1 (whether you/anyone hates systemd or not). If anyone prefers the old ways only - there is always openRC and devuan.org Sorry for looking over your "systemctl" too quickly and seeing sudo ... my mistake there! On 8/14/19 10:38 PM, Tom Ashcraft wrote: > > Thanks, Jonathan, > > But apparently things have recently changed with the release of Buster. > > Ctrl-Alt-Del still gets you out of the desktop--if you happen to be > still in the desktop--which in my case, I was not. I believe that in > my desperation I tried it, but to be honest, I can't clearly remember. > > At any rate, the first article I happened to look at (the link below > yours) claims that 'shutdown' is no longer with us: > > "Debian 10 has now fully switched to Systemd which means that the > traditional commands to halt or reboot a system like 'shutdown -h now' > or 'reboot' will not work anymore. ..." > > Tom > > toma@debian10kdeHPnb:~$ shutdown -r now > bash: shutdown: command not found > > On 8/14/19 10:08 PM, Jonathan Haack wrote: >> >> You may want to consider the shutdown command, it can be configured >> with much more than the legacy reboot and poweroff commands: >> > https://debian-administration.org/article/89/Shutting_down_your_Debian_mach… > > ^^Posted by Steve > <https://debian-administration.org/users/Steve> on Fri 11 Feb 2005 at > 13:33^^ >> >> Jonathan >> >> On 8/14/19 10:05 PM, Tom Ashcraft wrote: >>> >>> Yep, systemd. This explains it: >>> >>> https://www.faqforge.com/linux/distributions/debian/how-to-shutdown-or-rebo… >>> >>> sudo systemctl poweroff >>> >>> sudo systemctl reboot >>> >>> >>> On 8/14/19 9:30 PM, Tom Ashcraft wrote: >>>> >>>> OK guys, >>>> >>>> I lucked out and stumbled on the fix for my artifact. Turns out >>>> the message on the screen can be removed with the same key >>>> combinations as used to remove widgets *from the panel*, i.e. >>>> 'Alt-D, R'. I think. Now I can't find where I saw that out of >>>> context. Anyway, having done that fixes the problem installing >>>> one-click launchers to the panels too. >>>> >>>> I can go to bed happy tonight because *everything* I've set up is >>>> now working correctly. Definitely KDE Plasma and definitely not >>>> Kubuntu. >>>> >>>> But I still need to figure out how to get terminal >>>> shutdown/reboot/halt installed. Back to all that excellent >>>> documentation in the wikis and the desktop. Must be in there >>>> somewhere. >>>> >>>> Tom >>>> >>>> On 8/14/19 7:46 PM, Tom Ashcraft wrote: >>>>> Hello NMGLUG, >>>>> >>>>> I've got a two-day old install of Debian 10 with KDE Plasma >>>>> desktop ... >>>>> >>>>> *'ctrl-alt-esc' will kill Plasma (but leave application windows >>>>> running, presumably because they run in different threads) but I >>>>> don't yet know how to restart Plasma from the terminal, and for >>>>> some reason there is no 'shutdown', 'reboot' or 'halt' command >>>>> installed. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nmglug mailing list >>>>> nmglug(a)lists.nmglug.org >>>>> http://lists.nmglug.org/listinfo.cgi/nmglug-nmglug.org >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nmglug mailing list >>>> nmglug(a)lists.nmglug.org >>>> http://lists.nmglug.org/listinfo.cgi/nmglug-nmglug.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nmglug mailing list >>> nmglug(a)lists.nmglug.org >>> http://lists.nmglug.org/listinfo.cgi/nmglug-nmglug.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nmglug mailing list >> nmglug(a)lists.nmglug.org >> http://lists.nmglug.org/listinfo.cgi/nmglug-nmglug.org

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Zombie desktop artifact
by Tom Ashcraft 14 Aug '19

14 Aug '19

Hello NMGLUG, I've got a two-day old install of Debian 10 with KDE Plasma desktop on a brand-new 1TB SSD in a two or three year old 15" HP-Notebook with an AMD CPU. This installed via Calamares running from a live, non-free firmware iso, checksum and signature file verified. Mostly so far everything seems robust and beautiful, but there's been considerable pathology with setting up the panels the way I like. Right-clicking on an application in either of the main application menus (I have a cascading menu in the upper panel, and the default menu in the lower panel) *should* show and permit the option of installing a one-click launch icon on the associated panel--but sometimes it does, and other times it doesn't. Also, I had a dictionary widget in the upper panel that was apparently missing one of the supporting files for some reason. In association with a desktop crash, hard powerdown* and/or my eventual removal of the widget, the error message somehow became permanent. See attached screenshot. Any suggestions for how I might best attempt to repair this? Thanks, Tom *'ctrl-alt-esc' will kill Plasma (but leave application windows running, presumably because they run in different threads) but I don't yet know how to restart Plasma from the terminal, and for some reason there is no 'shutdown', 'reboot' or 'halt' command installed.

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Is Zoom an open-source app?
by LeRoy Diener 14 Aug '19

14 Aug '19

Hi NMGLUG folks, My business colleagues want to do video conference calls with me on zoom, from https://zoom.us/ I'm wondering if this is a program which has been reviewed by the Linux community, and if it has been approved as safe to use on Debian. I welcome your responses. LeRoy -- I am the Love of God, no matter what. LeRoy Diener 213-LEROYIZ 213-537-6949 www.leroydiener.com/

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QEMU/KVM; Thunar as root?
by Tom Ashcraft 08 Aug '19

08 Aug '19

I've got Debian 10 XFCE installed to and running from a USB stick. Inside that I have two identical Debian minimal-install server VMs that run under QEMU/KVM behind NAT so that I can have the two talk to each other as a network inside the single computer. This for purposes of safely practicing and experimenting with things like SSH keys and WireGuard without external network or internet access. All, well and good; works great as long as I stick to the same computer and nic with which I created the VMs. The problem is that I have limited storage for snapshots and clones so that currently, if I screw something up or switch computers, experience indicates that I have to create new individual VMs by installing from scratch to start again clean. That takes a long time. So I'm thinking that before I waste too much more time reinventing the wheel every time I go 'round, that I ought to be able to copy clean unused images of my two VMs on another USB stick so that I can just conveniently delete and replace as required. First question: I ought to be able to create an elastically sized VM with QEMU/KVM in a manner similar to how dynamically allocated storage works in VirtualBox so that the image I copy across different USB sticks can be relatively small and quick to copy? Second question: At present I must copy via command line as root or with sudo as Thunar GUI file manager won't give me permission by any means I can discover. I'd like to use Thunar so I can get some visual feedback about copy progress. I ought to be able to run Thunar from the desktop as root somehow, right? As I write I *think* my old laptop with USB 2.0 is somewhere in the midst of copying an 8.0 GB image, but it keeps timing-out into lockscreen, and for all I know something has gone wrong. The USB sticks are warm as a cup of coffee, but the cursor in the terminal is just sitting there without blinking and it's all taking way too long: tom@debian10xfceUSB: /var/lib/libvirt/images$ sudo cp generic-2.qcow2 /media/tom/C58A-66EE/ All hints and advice are welcome. Thanks, Tom

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R.I.P. Linux Journal
by Harold Furbiter 08 Aug '19

08 Aug '19

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looking for a full stack RoR dev
by Andres Paglayan 06 Aug '19

06 Aug '19

Hi Fellow nmglugians, If you might be interested or know of somebody who might: We are currently looking for a full stack Ruby on Rails developer to be added to our small team. on premises or telecommuting, Junior devs are welcome to apply as well. The stack includes but is not limited to: Ruby, Rails, JavaScript, CSS, haml, MySQL, Postgresql. Rspec. *nix, Docker, Kubernetes. Git and friends. Must have Very good knowledge and experience in OOP and MVC. Solid knowledge of Ruby and Ruby on Rails. Skills to clearly communicate to his colleagues. A knack for writing clean, readable Ruby code. The ability to work without hand holding. The ability to research and solve problems on his/her own. Responsibilities Independently address and solve issues from our tracking software. Build new features as requested. Write proper, tested, readable, and style correct Ruby code. This is a permanent telecommuting position. Residency in NM is a plus. We require 6 hours of responsible work per day, 5 or 6 days per week. All candidates are subject to skill test. Send a note describing yourself at work and include your salary expectations.

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beautiful servers
by Andres Paglayan 06 Aug '19

06 Aug '19

Hi, We decommissioned our servers from Bigbyte and moved everything to the cloud, There are couple of very powerful servers, one with 512GB ram, another other with 256GB, both with 4 multicore processors each. Also there's a bunch of others that are in the 72GB ram range, and a few with lesser memory and specs that were used for storage. The office is located at 922A Shoofly, Suite 203, 87505 (Baca Railyard), I am not interested in maximizing the dollar but into cleaning the space, so I will entertain silly offers. Best, Andres

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new laptop
by Brian O'Keefe 04 Aug '19

04 Aug '19

Howdy all, I bought a on-sale laptop. It's an: ASUS VivoBook 15.6" FHD Laptop, Quad-Core Ryzen 5 2500U Processor (up to 3.6 GHz) with Radeon Vega 8 Graphics, 8 GB DDR4, 256 GB M.2 SSD, 802.11ac Wi-Fi - F505ZA-DH51. It's a race car for me at least. I downloaded Ubunu 19.04 and made a bootable USB drive and installed. Boy is it good looking! I can't wait to get all of my data migrated but I am. As you see the SSD is not so large as the 1TB I have on my old ACER. I thought that I was using about 45% disk space and was not, of course, worried because the drive is so large capacity. I never finished migrating all of my data from my previous and hosed 500GBSSD that Mark helped, or actually did, save so I have some scattered data on the ACER and on the 500SSD. In prepping to start moving stuff around I used the GUI Disk Analyzer and very much to my surprise I found files of up to 49GB!! I have 5 or 6 WINE programs I run and that shows up as a 39GB folder. Now that makes no sense at all, as is the case with several other folders. I have a folder for my activism stuff and that's 29GB which is outlandishly wrong. So the Disk analyzer is wrong or somehow these folders have been growing on their own, bloating like a president's ego. My Q is, what console tool would give me the disk usage in a tree-like format (I know not like a GUI but a list from highest to lowest size of folders). Is this possible? It appears that if the GUI Disk Analyzer is correct then I can lose a few items, like the wine programs, VMs and other unnecessaries and have plenty of space on the new drive. I had planned to use the 1TB drive as a storage device for my 10,000+ photos, etc. This would work but I don't trust the GUI and don't want to start some weird event and lose data nor do I want to transfer mostly useless data that is actually a couple Gigs and not the tens of GB I am seeing. I'll check out the forums for a console command but i thought I'd go to the best first. Cheers Brian --

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[ABQLUG] Meetup 002 Postmortem (August 2019)
by ABQLUG 31 Jul '19

31 Jul '19

Fellow NMGLUGers, The ABQLUG meetup was set up a week early to accommodate an upcoming vacation I am going on. As a result, the next meetup will be on September 3rd. Not a whole lot happened at this meetup. I installed EndeavourOS on a old laptop. A member had some issues with XFCE and with Baloo (file indexer). Both of those issues should have been resolved. Another member brought up the fact that I hadn't set up a chat server yet. So we decided that it might be best, for now, to set up a channel on the NMDevs Slack network. Later on I plan on integrating that channel with the Synapse/Matrix server. Here is a write-up of meetup 002: https://www.abqlug.com/past-meetups/meetup-002-slack-channel/ Feel free to join the Slack channel. #abqlug on nmdevs.slack.com <https://nmdevs.slack.com/> If you do not have an account already, you may get an invitation here: http://techcommunityofnm.org/ I hope to see y'all at the next meetup on September 3rd! Jared

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