Dear nmglugers, I came upon this article: http://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/local_news/outside-party-to-review-cit... in which they discuss external review of Santa Fe's IT infrastructure. These overhauls sometimes involve picking some company, reading their brochure, and giving them a contract. I have seen a large institution where they replaced the UW IMAP server with a Microsoft exchange system, going from 50% of an employee to run the institution's email to 3 full-time people to run the Microsoft exchange system, plus untold hours of lost productivity in dealing with the morass generated by this proprietary system. In this case the executives were told by the parent company that they had to shift to MS exchange, period. The city is not beholden to a parent company, but group-think is rampant with people who are out of their depth, and the 10% rule also applies ("you only need to know 10% more than someone to snow them"), so vendors might come in and write an IT plan for the city. This is all speculation - does anyone here have any inside knowledge on how this process is going? Wounldn't it be cool if the city were to invite proposals from our city's top IT people (who are almost certainly on this list), and also include them in the review. It would also be cool if someone had the ear of the city's IT planners and could propose some free software adoption, as well as a requirement free software compatibility.
All good points and when I read the article Sunday I had similar thoughts as you Mark. I would send an email directly to the mayor and it will get handed off. I really believe that some sunshine on this process is critical if we expect anything that functions. I have heard so many horror stories and from institutions (like non-corp Medical practices) that make your skin crawl. Surely some real IT folks like you and others could get some sort appointment and bring up the concerns. I think there are THREE iterations of third-party involvement and I can only imagine what castrophucks are going to come out. Having written this I know the head of the libraries and she's in on most city inside stuff. I'll ask her what she knows. Brian On 09/17/2018 07:39 AM, Mark Galassi wrote:
Dear nmglugers,
I came upon this article:
http://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/local_news/outside-party-to-review-cit...
in which they discuss external review of Santa Fe's IT infrastructure.
These overhauls sometimes involve picking some company, reading their brochure, and giving them a contract.
I have seen a large institution where they replaced the UW IMAP server with a Microsoft exchange system, going from 50% of an employee to run the institution's email to 3 full-time people to run the Microsoft exchange system, plus untold hours of lost productivity in dealing with the morass generated by this proprietary system. In this case the executives were told by the parent company that they had to shift to MS exchange, period.
The city is not beholden to a parent company, but group-think is rampant with people who are out of their depth, and the 10% rule also applies ("you only need to know 10% more than someone to snow them"), so vendors might come in and write an IT plan for the city.
This is all speculation - does anyone here have any inside knowledge on how this process is going?
Wounldn't it be cool if the city were to invite proposals from our city's top IT people (who are almost certainly on this list), and also include them in the review. It would also be cool if someone had the ear of the city's IT planners and could propose some free software adoption, as well as a requirement free software compatibility. _______________________________________________ nmglug mailing list nmglug@lists.nmglug.org http://lists.nmglug.org/listinfo.cgi/nmglug-nmglug.org
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I saw my city high level contact yesterday and she said she has yet to read my email re: this. She promised that she would and though she can't directly impact the project she may know how to get into the city machinations. I'll keep all posted. Brian On 09/17/2018 07:39 AM, Mark Galassi wrote:
Dear nmglugers,
I came upon this article:
http://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/local_news/outside-party-to-review-cit...
in which they discuss external review of Santa Fe's IT infrastructure.
These overhauls sometimes involve picking some company, reading their brochure, and giving them a contract.
I have seen a large institution where they replaced the UW IMAP server with a Microsoft exchange system, going from 50% of an employee to run the institution's email to 3 full-time people to run the Microsoft exchange system, plus untold hours of lost productivity in dealing with the morass generated by this proprietary system. In this case the executives were told by the parent company that they had to shift to MS exchange, period.
The city is not beholden to a parent company, but group-think is rampant with people who are out of their depth, and the 10% rule also applies ("you only need to know 10% more than someone to snow them"), so vendors might come in and write an IT plan for the city.
This is all speculation - does anyone here have any inside knowledge on how this process is going?
Wounldn't it be cool if the city were to invite proposals from our city's top IT people (who are almost certainly on this list), and also include them in the review. It would also be cool if someone had the ear of the city's IT planners and could propose some free software adoption, as well as a requirement free software compatibility. _______________________________________________ nmglug mailing list nmglug@lists.nmglug.org http://lists.nmglug.org/listinfo.cgi/nmglug-nmglug.org
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Thanks for your attention to this matter. On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 10:38 AM Brian O'Keefe <okeefe@cybermesa.com> wrote:
I saw my city high level contact yesterday and she said she has yet to read my email re: this. She promised that she would and though she can't directly impact the project she may know how to get into the city machinations. I'll keep all posted.
Brian
On 09/17/2018 07:39 AM, Mark Galassi wrote:
Dear nmglugers,
I came upon this article: http://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/local_news/outside-party-to-review-cit...
in which they discuss external review of Santa Fe's IT infrastructure.
These overhauls sometimes involve picking some company, reading their brochure, and giving them a contract.
I have seen a large institution where they replaced the UW IMAP server with a Microsoft exchange system, going from 50% of an employee to run the institution's email to 3 full-time people to run the Microsoft exchange system, plus untold hours of lost productivity in dealing with the morass generated by this proprietary system. In this case the executives were told by the parent company that they had to shift to MS exchange, period.
The city is not beholden to a parent company, but group-think is rampant with people who are out of their depth, and the 10% rule also applies ("you only need to know 10% more than someone to snow them"), so vendors might come in and write an IT plan for the city.
This is all speculation - does anyone here have any inside knowledge on how this process is going?
Wounldn't it be cool if the city were to invite proposals from our city's top IT people (who are almost certainly on this list), and also include them in the review. It would also be cool if someone had the ear of the city's IT planners and could propose some free software adoption, as well as a requirement free software compatibility. _______________________________________________ nmglug mailing listnmglug@lists.nmglug.orghttp://lists.nmglug.org/listinfo.cgi/nmglug-nmglug.org
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Interesting thread. Keep us informed. However, I'd advocate trying to use the term "open source" or "open standards" as opposed to "free" whenever possible. On 09/24/2018 10:47 AM, Satsangat Khalsa wrote:
Thanks for your attention to this matter.
On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 10:38 AM Brian O'Keefe <okeefe@cybermesa.com <mailto:okeefe@cybermesa.com>> wrote:
I saw my city high level contact yesterday and she said she has yet to read my email re: this. She promised that she would and though she can't directly impact the project she may know how to get into the city machinations. I'll keep all posted.
Brian
On 09/17/2018 07:39 AM, Mark Galassi wrote:
Dear nmglugers,
I came upon this article:
http://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/local_news/outside-party-to-review-cit...
in which they discuss external review of Santa Fe's IT infrastructure.
These overhauls sometimes involve picking some company, reading their brochure, and giving them a contract.
I have seen a large institution where they replaced the UW IMAP server with a Microsoft exchange system, going from 50% of an employee to run the institution's email to 3 full-time people to run the Microsoft ... It would also be cool if someone had the ear of the city's IT planners and could propose some free software adoption, as well as a requirement free software compatibility. _______________________________________________ nmglug mailing list nmglug@lists.nmglug.org <mailto:nmglug@lists.nmglug.org> http://lists.nmglug.org/listinfo.cgi/nmglug-nmglug.org
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Gotta get a foot in the door first, if it's even possible On 09/24/2018 10:58 AM, Aaron Birenboim wrote:
Interesting thread. Keep us informed.
However, I'd advocate trying to use the term "open source" or "open standards" as opposed to "free" whenever possible.
On 09/24/2018 10:47 AM, Satsangat Khalsa wrote:
Thanks for your attention to this matter.
On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 10:38 AM Brian O'Keefe <okeefe@cybermesa.com <mailto:okeefe@cybermesa.com>> wrote:
I saw my city high level contact yesterday and she said she has yet to read my email re: this. She promised that she would and though she can't directly impact the project she may know how to get into the city machinations. I'll keep all posted.
Brian
On 09/17/2018 07:39 AM, Mark Galassi wrote:
Dear nmglugers,
I came upon this article:
http://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/local_news/outside-party-to-review-cit...
in which they discuss external review of Santa Fe's IT infrastructure.
These overhauls sometimes involve picking some company, reading their brochure, and giving them a contract.
I have seen a large institution where they replaced the UW IMAP server with a Microsoft exchange system, going from 50% of an employee to run the institution's email to 3 full-time people to run the Microsoft ... It would also be cool if someone had the ear of the city's IT planners and could propose some free software adoption, as well as a requirement free software compatibility. _______________________________________________ nmglug mailing list nmglug@lists.nmglug.org <mailto:nmglug@lists.nmglug.org> http://lists.nmglug.org/listinfo.cgi/nmglug-nmglug.org
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Another place to keep an eye on as far as getting free software into the city is their Requests for Proposals database (here's some old IT ones: https://www.santafenm.gov/bids_rfps/information_technologies/1) —Arlo James Barnes
I would assume that there were RFPs but here you never know. Say the city did go open source, what entity would provide and do the IT/Admin for it? On 09/24/2018 05:45 PM, Arlo Barnes wrote:
Another place to keep an eye on as far as getting free software into the city is their Requests for Proposals database (here's some old IT ones: https://www.santafenm.gov/bids_rfps/information_technologies/1) —Arlo James Barnes
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I agree that "free" can be a confusing word when it comes to speech vs. beer but I also think "open source" has been co-opted as a corporate marketing term to sell more Github private repos and Windows licenses (that now directly monetize Linux) I believe the benefits of FLOSS are self-evident in the medium to long term, but it has no sales team. Santa Fe could be easy prey for a smooth talking startup or incompetent contractor, but it is also a progressive place where things like ranked-choice voting can happen. On 18-09-24 10:58:49, Aaron Birenboim wrote:
Interesting thread. Keep us informed.
However, I'd advocate trying to use the term "open source" or "open standards" as opposed to "free" whenever possible.
On 09/24/2018 10:47 AM, Satsangat Khalsa wrote:
Thanks for your attention to this matter.
On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 10:38 AM Brian O'Keefe <okeefe@cybermesa.com <mailto:okeefe@cybermesa.com>> wrote:
I saw my city high level contact yesterday and she said she has yet to read my email re: this. She promised that she would and though she can't directly impact the project she may know how to get into the city machinations. I'll keep all posted.
Brian
On 09/17/2018 07:39 AM, Mark Galassi wrote:
Dear nmglugers,
I came upon this article:
http://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/local_news/outside-party-to-review-cit...
in which they discuss external review of Santa Fe's IT infrastructure.
These overhauls sometimes involve picking some company, reading their brochure, and giving them a contract.
I have seen a large institution where they replaced the UW IMAP server with a Microsoft exchange system, going from 50% of an employee to run the institution's email to 3 full-time people to run the Microsoft ... It would also be cool if someone had the ear of the city's IT planners and could propose some free software adoption, as well as a requirement free software compatibility. _______________________________________________ nmglug mailing list nmglug@lists.nmglug.org <mailto:nmglug@lists.nmglug.org> http://lists.nmglug.org/listinfo.cgi/nmglug-nmglug.org
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I think that the City is far down the road with whatever contractor they chose. On 09/27/2018 10:59 AM, Casey Dentinger wrote:
I agree that "free" can be a confusing word when it comes to speech vs. beer but I also think "open source" has been co-opted as a corporate marketing term to sell more Github private repos and Windows licenses (that now directly monetize Linux)
I believe the benefits of FLOSS are self-evident in the medium to long term, but it has no sales team.
Santa Fe could be easy prey for a smooth talking startup or incompetent contractor, but it is also a progressive place where things like ranked-choice voting can happen.
On 18-09-24 10:58:49, Aaron Birenboim wrote:
Interesting thread. Keep us informed.
However, I'd advocate trying to use the term "open source" or "open standards" as opposed to "free" whenever possible.
On 09/24/2018 10:47 AM, Satsangat Khalsa wrote:
Thanks for your attention to this matter.
On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 10:38 AM Brian O'Keefe <okeefe@cybermesa.com <mailto:okeefe@cybermesa.com>> wrote:
I saw my city high level contact yesterday and she said she has yet to read my email re: this. She promised that she would and though she can't directly impact the project she may know how to get into the city machinations. I'll keep all posted.
Brian
On 09/17/2018 07:39 AM, Mark Galassi wrote:
Dear nmglugers,
I came upon this article:
http://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/local_news/outside-party-to-review-cit...
in which they discuss external review of Santa Fe's IT infrastructure.
These overhauls sometimes involve picking some company, reading their brochure, and giving them a contract.
I have seen a large institution where they replaced the UW IMAP server with a Microsoft exchange system, going from 50% of an employee to run the institution's email to 3 full-time people to run the Microsoft ... It would also be cool if someone had the ear of the city's IT planners and could propose some free software adoption, as well as a requirement free software compatibility. _______________________________________________ nmglug mailing list nmglug@lists.nmglug.org <mailto:nmglug@lists.nmglug.org> http://lists.nmglug.org/listinfo.cgi/nmglug-nmglug.org
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