Thanks all, I have, as Ted knows, tinkered a lot over the years with ppa's for specific packages or dependencies. I have used apt autoremove consistently in the past but never had such a long list. The broken packages that synaptic showed were libdeflate0-1.20 and libdeflat0-i386-1.20. I fixed by removing libdeflate0-i386 1.20 also removed 13 others, like Wine. Nothing lost there. Synaptic shows removing libdeflate0-1.20 would remove almost every app and pkg on my system. As I am not the good steward of my system that Tom may imagine, I can't verify all of my actions over the years to undo or reconfigure everything. (No offense taken Tom.) The suggested removable pkgs are harmless though are bloat. I think I'll clone the SSD for a backup, which I have done before in trying to create a remote bootable disk, which I did some months back. I can't boot from that disk for which I blame the laptop. I can see the remote drive in disk utility and also in Grub but in selecting it to boot the laptop takes a little longer then boots into the onboard M.2 SSD. That's another issue. As a side bar, I have installed a 512GB SSD in the laptop and noticed that the motherboard is upside down so I can't add RAM. I did manage to install the 512GB SSD in the upside down slot by lifting the case enough to slide it in. A YouTube vid shows how to upgrade the RAM and SSD but as I said, my motherboard is upside down so not like the vid. That is very weird! Anyway, since the pkgs seem harmless I think I'll leave them alone, for now. Thanks again everyone! On 5/27/24 06:13PM, Ted Pomeroy wrote:

Brian, You are probably safe to use autoremove under apt. The reason is that newer releases and kernels are already installed and you can check. "uname -r' will give you the kernel you are running, likely a number greater than 5.4.0-176. I don't recognize others, but if you had to eliminate or update particular browsers, brave, chromium, and they are still installed the command 'chromium-browser --version' will give you the installed version. A problem with chromium is it is sometimes "chromium" and others "chromium-browser" depending how Ubuntu labelled it in your release. You may also have modified applications and versions, which will impact dependencies. Still nothing should break with "autoremove" in apt. Hope you are well. We had a good time getting a Debian 12 install done at the last meeting. Thank you, Ted P

On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 3:30 PM Brian O'Keefe <okeefe@cybermesa.com> wrote:

Hello All. This is a long bit of info but I'm hoping someone can advise.

Running Ubuntu 20.04 on ASUS laptop, AMD64. I have done an upgrade, "sudo apt upgrade". To run the upgrade I had to uninstall 13 [Package]* i386 as dependencies were broken. That's all fine now though I may need to reinstall some for functionality. However, the "apt upgrade" offers to auto remove many packages which seem, some, important. I'm very reluctant to remove them. Here they are and if anyone can advise I'd really appreciate it.

$ sudo apt upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Calculating upgrade... Done The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: brasero-common brave-keyring caribou chromium-common chromium-sandbox folks-common gir1.2-caribou-1.0 gir1.2-evince-3.0 gnome-online-miners gnucash-common gnucash-docs guile-2.2 guile-3.0-libs libaa1:i386 libalgorithm-c3-perl libaqbanking-data libaqbanking44 libavc1394-0:i386 libcaca0:i386 libcairo-gobject2:i386 libcapi20-3:i386 libcaribou-common libcaribou0 libcgi-fast-perl libcgi-pm-perl libclass-c3-perl libclass-c3-xs-perl libclass-data-inheritable-perl libclass-inspector-perl libclass-singleton-perl libcodec2-1.0 libcups2:i386 libcurl3-gnutls:i386 libcurl4:i386 libdate-manip-perl libdatetime-format-strptime-perl libdatetime-locale-perl libdatetime-perl libdatetime-timezone-perl libdatrie1:i386 libdav1d6 libdbi1 libdcmtk16 libdeepin-wm0 libdiscid0 libdrm-amdgpu1:i386 libdrm-intel1:i386 libdrm-nouveau2:i386 libdrm-radeon1:i386 libdrm2:i386 libdv4:i386 libedit2:i386 libev4 libeval-closure-perl libexception-class-perl libexif12:i386 libfaudio0:i386 libfcgi-perl libfile-sharedir-perl libfinance-quote-perl libfltk1.1 libfolks-eds25 libfolks25 libfribidi0:i386 libgbm1:i386 libgdbm-compat4:i386 libgdbm6:i386 libgfbgraph-0.2-0 libgl1:i386 libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 libglapi-mesa:i386 libglu1-mesa:i386 libglvnd0:i386 libglx-mesa0:i386 libglx0:i386 libgphoto2-port12:i386 libgranite-common libgraphite2-3:i386 libgsm1:i386 libgssapi-krb5-2:i386 libgstreamer-plugins-good1.0-0:i386 libgtk-vnc-2.0-0 libgudev-1.0-0:i386 libgvnc-1.0-0 libgwengui-gtk3-0 libgwenhywfar-data libgwenhywfar79 libharfbuzz0b:i386 libhtml-tableextract-perl libicu66:i386 libiec61883-0:i386 libieee1284-3:i386 libimath29 libimath30 libisofs6 libjasper7 libjbig0:i386 libjpeg-turbo8:i386 libjpeg8:i386 libjson-parse-perl libjte2 libk5crypto3:i386 libkeyutils1:i386 libkrb5-3:i386 libkrb5support0:i386 liblc3-0 liblcms2-2:i386 liblerc3 libllvm12:i386 libltdl7:i386 liblua5.4-0 liblzma-dev libmro-compat-perl libmusicbrainz5-2 libmysqlclient21:i386 libnamespace-autoclean-perl libnettle7:i386 libnghttp2-14:i386 libodbc1:i386 libofx7 liboobs-1-5 libopenal1:i386 libopenexr30 libopenfec libosinfo-1.0-0 libosinfo-bin libosmesa6:i386 libosp5 libparams-validationcompiler-perl libpcap0.8:i386 libpci3:i386 libpciaccess0:i386 libperl5.30:i386 libproxy1-plugin-webkit libproxy1v5:i386 libpsl5:i386 libraw1394-11:i386 libraw20 libroc librtmp1:i386 libsdl2-2.0-0:i386 libsensors5:i386 libsharpyuv0:i386 libshout3:i386 libslang2:i386 libsndio7:i386 libsnmp35:i386 libsodium27 libspecio-perl libspeex1:i386 libspeexdsp-dev libspice-client-gtk-3.0-5 libssh-4:i386 libstb0:i386 libstd-rust-1.70 libstd-rust-1.72 libstd-rust-1.73 libstd-rust-1.74 libtag1v5:i386 libtag1v5-vanilla:i386 libthai0:i386 libtwolame0:i386 libunwind-dev libusb-1.0-0:i386 libuv1-dev libv4l-0:i386 libv4lconvert0:i386 libvirt-glib-1.0-0 libvkd3d-shader1:i386 libvkd3d1:i386 libvpx7 libvpx8:i386 libvulkan1:i386 libwavpack1:i386 libwayland-client0:i386 libwayland-cursor0:i386 libwayland-egl1:i386 libwayland-server0:i386 libwebp7:i386 libwebsockets16 libwireplumber-0.4-0 libwxbase3.0-0v5 libx11-xcb1:i386 libxcb-dri2-0:i386 libxcb-dri3-0:i386 libxcb-glx0:i386 libxcb-present0:i386 libxcb-randr0:i386 libxcb-sync1:i386 libxcb-xfixes0:i386 libxcomposite1:i386 libxcursor1:i386 libxdamage1:i386 libxfixes3:i386 libxi6:i386 libxinerama1:i386 libxkbcommon0:i386 libxml2:i386 libxmlsec1 libxpm4:i386 libxrandr2:i386 libxshmfence1:i386 libxslt1.1:i386 libxss1:i386 libxstring-perl libxv1:i386 libxxf86vm1:i386 libzapojit-0.0-0 libzstd1:i386 libzxingcore1 linux-headers-5.4.0-174 linux-headers-5.4.0-174-generic linux-headers-5.4.0-176 linux-headers-5.4.0-176-generic linux-image-5.4.0-174-generic linux-image-5.4.0-176-generic linux-modules-5.4.0-174-generic linux-modules-5.4.0-176-generic linux-modules-extra-5.4.0-174-generic linux-modules-extra-5.4.0-176-generic mesa-vulkan-drivers:i386 ocl-icd-libopencl1:i386 osinfo-db python3-gnucash system-tools-backends vkd3d-compiler:i386 wine-stable-amd64 wine64 Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove them. -- _______________________________________________ nmglug mailing list nmglug@lists.nmglug.org http://lists.nmglug.org/listinfo.cgi/nmglug-nmglug.org

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OK, this is too weird. I ran $ chromium-browser --version Chromium 124.0.6367.118 snap Then I checked synaptic and it shows this below. Checking "about chromium" shows the 124.0.....is the version running. A slight investigation shows Brasero isn't installed but brasero-common is and that's one apt wants to remove. Brave isn't installed but brave-keyring is and is also a recommended remove pkg. Evince is installed along with gir1.2-evince-3.0 and evince-common. Apt suggests removing gir1.2-evince-3.0. I'll remove gir1.2-evince-3.0 and see if that affects evince. And it does not. So I'm led to believe that apt does know what it's doing (though the long list of i386 libraries is still unsettling) and Ted's evaluation "You may also have modified applications and versions, which will impact dependencies" is probably correct. I'll remove the first several pkgs and see what happens. Again, thanks! On 5/27/24 06:13PM, Ted Pomeroy wrote:

Brian, You are probably safe to use autoremove under apt. The reason is that newer releases and kernels are already installed and you can check. "uname -r' will give you the kernel you are running, likely a number greater than 5.4.0-176. I don't recognize others, but if you had to eliminate or update particular browsers, brave, chromium, and they are still installed the command 'chromium-browser --version' will give you the installed version. A problem with chromium is it is sometimes "chromium" and others "chromium-browser" depending how Ubuntu labelled it in your release. You may also have modified applications and versions, which will impact dependencies. Still nothing should break with "autoremove" in apt. Hope you are well. We had a good time getting a Debian 12 install done at the last meeting. Thank you, Ted P

On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 3:30 PM Brian O'Keefe <okeefe@cybermesa.com> wrote:

Hello All. This is a long bit of info but I'm hoping someone can advise.

Running Ubuntu 20.04 on ASUS laptop, AMD64. I have done an upgrade, "sudo apt upgrade". To run the upgrade I had to uninstall 13 [Package]* i386 as dependencies were broken. That's all fine now though I may need to reinstall some for functionality. However, the "apt upgrade" offers to auto remove many packages which seem, some, important. I'm very reluctant to remove them. Here they are and if anyone can advise I'd really appreciate it.

$ sudo apt upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Calculating upgrade... Done The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: brasero-common brave-keyring caribou chromium-common chromium-sandbox folks-common gir1.2-caribou-1.0 gir1.2-evince-3.0 gnome-online-miners gnucash-common gnucash-docs guile-2.2 guile-3.0-libs libaa1:i386 libalgorithm-c3-perl libaqbanking-data libaqbanking44 libavc1394-0:i386 libcaca0:i386 libcairo-gobject2:i386 libcapi20-3:i386 libcaribou-common libcaribou0 libcgi-fast-perl libcgi-pm-perl libclass-c3-perl libclass-c3-xs-perl libclass-data-inheritable-perl libclass-inspector-perl libclass-singleton-perl libcodec2-1.0 libcups2:i386 libcurl3-gnutls:i386 libcurl4:i386 libdate-manip-perl libdatetime-format-strptime-perl libdatetime-locale-perl libdatetime-perl libdatetime-timezone-perl libdatrie1:i386 libdav1d6 libdbi1 libdcmtk16 libdeepin-wm0 libdiscid0 libdrm-amdgpu1:i386 libdrm-intel1:i386 libdrm-nouveau2:i386 libdrm-radeon1:i386 libdrm2:i386 libdv4:i386 libedit2:i386 libev4 libeval-closure-perl libexception-class-perl libexif12:i386 libfaudio0:i386 libfcgi-perl libfile-sharedir-perl libfinance-quote-perl libfltk1.1 libfolks-eds25 libfolks25 libfribidi0:i386 libgbm1:i386 libgdbm-compat4:i386 libgdbm6:i386 libgfbgraph-0.2-0 libgl1:i386 libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 libglapi-mesa:i386 libglu1-mesa:i386 libglvnd0:i386 libglx-mesa0:i386 libglx0:i386 libgphoto2-port12:i386 libgranite-common libgraphite2-3:i386 libgsm1:i386 libgssapi-krb5-2:i386 libgstreamer-plugins-good1.0-0:i386 libgtk-vnc-2.0-0 libgudev-1.0-0:i386 libgvnc-1.0-0 libgwengui-gtk3-0 libgwenhywfar-data libgwenhywfar79 libharfbuzz0b:i386 libhtml-tableextract-perl libicu66:i386 libiec61883-0:i386 libieee1284-3:i386 libimath29 libimath30 libisofs6 libjasper7 libjbig0:i386 libjpeg-turbo8:i386 libjpeg8:i386 libjson-parse-perl libjte2 libk5crypto3:i386 libkeyutils1:i386 libkrb5-3:i386 libkrb5support0:i386 liblc3-0 liblcms2-2:i386 liblerc3 libllvm12:i386 libltdl7:i386 liblua5.4-0 liblzma-dev libmro-compat-perl libmusicbrainz5-2 libmysqlclient21:i386 libnamespace-autoclean-perl libnettle7:i386 libnghttp2-14:i386 libodbc1:i386 libofx7 liboobs-1-5 libopenal1:i386 libopenexr30 libopenfec libosinfo-1.0-0 libosinfo-bin libosmesa6:i386 libosp5 libparams-validationcompiler-perl libpcap0.8:i386 libpci3:i386 libpciaccess0:i386 libperl5.30:i386 libproxy1-plugin-webkit libproxy1v5:i386 libpsl5:i386 libraw1394-11:i386 libraw20 libroc librtmp1:i386 libsdl2-2.0-0:i386 libsensors5:i386 libsharpyuv0:i386 libshout3:i386 libslang2:i386 libsndio7:i386 libsnmp35:i386 libsodium27 libspecio-perl libspeex1:i386 libspeexdsp-dev libspice-client-gtk-3.0-5 libssh-4:i386 libstb0:i386 libstd-rust-1.70 libstd-rust-1.72 libstd-rust-1.73 libstd-rust-1.74 libtag1v5:i386 libtag1v5-vanilla:i386 libthai0:i386 libtwolame0:i386 libunwind-dev libusb-1.0-0:i386 libuv1-dev libv4l-0:i386 libv4lconvert0:i386 libvirt-glib-1.0-0 libvkd3d-shader1:i386 libvkd3d1:i386 libvpx7 libvpx8:i386 libvulkan1:i386 libwavpack1:i386 libwayland-client0:i386 libwayland-cursor0:i386 libwayland-egl1:i386 libwayland-server0:i386 libwebp7:i386 libwebsockets16 libwireplumber-0.4-0 libwxbase3.0-0v5 libx11-xcb1:i386 libxcb-dri2-0:i386 libxcb-dri3-0:i386 libxcb-glx0:i386 libxcb-present0:i386 libxcb-randr0:i386 libxcb-sync1:i386 libxcb-xfixes0:i386 libxcomposite1:i386 libxcursor1:i386 libxdamage1:i386 libxfixes3:i386 libxi6:i386 libxinerama1:i386 libxkbcommon0:i386 libxml2:i386 libxmlsec1 libxpm4:i386 libxrandr2:i386 libxshmfence1:i386 libxslt1.1:i386 libxss1:i386 libxstring-perl libxv1:i386 libxxf86vm1:i386 libzapojit-0.0-0 libzstd1:i386 libzxingcore1 linux-headers-5.4.0-174 linux-headers-5.4.0-174-generic linux-headers-5.4.0-176 linux-headers-5.4.0-176-generic linux-image-5.4.0-174-generic linux-image-5.4.0-176-generic linux-modules-5.4.0-174-generic linux-modules-5.4.0-176-generic linux-modules-extra-5.4.0-174-generic linux-modules-extra-5.4.0-176-generic mesa-vulkan-drivers:i386 ocl-icd-libopencl1:i386 osinfo-db python3-gnucash system-tools-backends vkd3d-compiler:i386 wine-stable-amd64 wine64 Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove them. -- _______________________________________________ nmglug mailing list nmglug@lists.nmglug.org http://lists.nmglug.org/listinfo.cgi/nmglug-nmglug.org

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