Re: [nmglug] Comcast refuses to send mail to Linux desktop email clients
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From: Casey Dentinger <dentinger@regnitned.net> Sent: Dec 7, 2018 2:46 PM To: nmglug@lists.nmglug.org Subject: Re: [nmglug] Comcast refuses to send mail to Linux desktop email clients
That escalated quickly :)
Also you don't need imap if you just use mutt locally
On Fri, Dec 7, 2018, at 2:43 PM, J Marsden DeLapp wrote:
On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 10:49:39 -0700 jason schaefer <js@jasonschaefer.com> wrote:
On 12/1/18 10:47 PM, Tom Ashcraft wrote:
What they can't steal from us most of seem to be willing to give to them for free. So much for any hope of anonymity or privacy from our corporate overlords. Might as well let them tatoo a barcode on your forehead--though that wouldn't be nearly as effective.
Its worth pointing out that if you are concerned about these issues you shouldn't be using comcast for email...
With a simple apt install postfix dovecot-imapd you can run your own mail server.
Mars
-- ============================================================= J. Marsden DeLapp, PE President I am following this discussion with great amusement. Maybe you guys know something I don't, but having your own email server or an email client on your desktop (phones of course are too insecure to use for anything important) seems like a lot of un-needed work trying to keep things secure. I concluded several years ago that I had neither the time nor the inclination (plus I am not expert enough in Linux) to harden my computer against email-carried malware. Also since someone could conceivably get into my computer I don't want them to have access to my email. Consequently I use web mail, (not GOOGLE!), because the ISP can do a lot better job than I at filtering out the malware and protecting against crackers. If I need to send something encrypted or very sensitive I use Protonmail from CERN.
Problem solved. Doesn't matter what Comcast or anyone else allows, plus I can check my mail on any computer in the world. If I am wrong, please explain to this Linux neophyte why.
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I don't find receiving mail to be that bad but getting it successfully delivered is a place where the internet is hamstrung by corporations. On 18-12-07 15:45:26, chochoms@earthlink.net wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: Casey Dentinger <dentinger@regnitned.net> Sent: Dec 7, 2018 2:46 PM To: nmglug@lists.nmglug.org Subject: Re: [nmglug] Comcast refuses to send mail to Linux desktop email clients
That escalated quickly :)
Also you don't need imap if you just use mutt locally
On Fri, Dec 7, 2018, at 2:43 PM, J Marsden DeLapp wrote:
On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 10:49:39 -0700 jason schaefer <js@jasonschaefer.com> wrote:
On 12/1/18 10:47 PM, Tom Ashcraft wrote:
What they can't steal from us most of seem to be willing to give to them for free. So much for any hope of anonymity or privacy from our corporate overlords. Might as well let them tatoo a barcode on your forehead--though that wouldn't be nearly as effective.
Its worth pointing out that if you are concerned about these issues you shouldn't be using comcast for email...
With a simple apt install postfix dovecot-imapd you can run your own mail server.
Mars
-- ============================================================= J. Marsden DeLapp, PE President I am following this discussion with great amusement. Maybe you guys know something I don't, but having your own email server or an email client on your desktop (phones of course are too insecure to use for anything important) seems like a lot of un-needed work trying to keep things secure. I concluded several years ago that I had neither the time nor the inclination (plus I am not expert enough in Linux) to harden my computer against email-carried malware. Also since someone could conceivably get into my computer I don't want them to have access to my email. Consequently I use web mail, (not GOOGLE!), because the ISP can do a lot better job than I at filtering out the malware and protecting against crackers. If I need to send something encrypted or very sensitive I use Protonmail from CERN.
Problem solved. Doesn't matter what Comcast or anyone else allows, plus I can check my mail on any computer in the world.
If I am wrong, please explain to this Linux neophyte why.
DeLapp & Associates, Inc. dba DeLapp Engineering. Providing lighting and power planning, design and analysis services for commercial, industrial and large residential facilities. 1190 Harrison Road Ste 3a Santa Fe NM 87507 (505) 983-5557 http://DeLapp.com ============================================================= _______________________________________________ nmglug mailing list nmglug@lists.nmglug.org http://lists.nmglug.org/listinfo.cgi/nmglug-nmglug.org
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OK, I *think* that having more or less successfully substituted imap.ge.xfinity.com for imap.comcast.net--currently with a certificate mis-match warning I don't yet know how to fix--is probably at least marginally more desirable than having to go through Xfinity mail website... Because, going through the website, Comcast/Xfinity has greater opportunity to do their social engineering infantilization thing, further shape my perceptions, whither my digital self-reliance skillset, more fully exploit me as a consumer milk cow and allow government and corporations to better trace and predict my physical and economic movements should they desire to do so, etc. But am I wrong, should I continue to use the website until I'm completely sure I have the certificate thing properly nailed? On 12/7/18 4:13 PM, Casey Dentinger wrote:
I don't find receiving mail to be that bad but getting it successfully delivered is a place where the internet is hamstrung by corporations.
On 18-12-07 15:45:26, chochoms@earthlink.net wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: Casey Dentinger <dentinger@regnitned.net> Sent: Dec 7, 2018 2:46 PM To: nmglug@lists.nmglug.org Subject: Re: [nmglug] Comcast refuses to send mail to Linux desktop email clients
That escalated quickly :)
Also you don't need imap if you just use mutt locally
On Fri, Dec 7, 2018, at 2:43 PM, J Marsden DeLapp wrote:
On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 10:49:39 -0700 jason schaefer <js@jasonschaefer.com> wrote:
On 12/1/18 10:47 PM, Tom Ashcraft wrote:
What they can't steal from us most of seem to be willing to give to them for free. So much for any hope of anonymity or privacy from our corporate overlords. Might as well let them tatoo a barcode on your forehead--though that wouldn't be nearly as effective. Its worth pointing out that if you are concerned about these issues you shouldn't be using comcast for email... With a simple apt install postfix dovecot-imapd you can run your own mail server.
Mars
-- ============================================================= J. Marsden DeLapp, PE President I am following this discussion with great amusement. Maybe you guys know something I don't, but having your own email server or an email client on your desktop (phones of course are too insecure to use for anything important) seems like a lot of un-needed work trying to keep things secure. I concluded several years ago that I had neither the time nor the inclination (plus I am not expert enough in Linux) to harden my computer against email-carried malware. Also since someone could conceivably get into my computer I don't want them to have access to my email. Consequently I use web mail, (not GOOGLE!), because the ISP can do a lot better job than I at filtering out the malware and protecting against crackers. If I need to send something encrypted or very sensitive I use Protonmail from CERN.
Problem solved. Doesn't matter what Comcast or anyone else allows, plus I can check my mail on any computer in the world.
If I am wrong, please explain to this Linux neophyte why.
DeLapp & Associates, Inc. dba DeLapp Engineering. Providing lighting and power planning, design and analysis services for commercial, industrial and large residential facilities. 1190 Harrison Road Ste 3a Santa Fe NM 87507 (505) 983-5557 http://DeLapp.com ============================================================= _______________________________________________ nmglug mailing list nmglug@lists.nmglug.org http://lists.nmglug.org/listinfo.cgi/nmglug-nmglug.org
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Hi Tom, Try using this hostname for imap: mail.comcast.net And use this hostname for smtp: smtp.comcast.net That should allow you to get a valid SSL cert. Let me know how that goes. Also, don't setup your own email. Setting up a dovecot server is fun, but maintaining it to work with all other email providers is a super big drag. Especially when people need to have their email flow without a problem. -- Jared On 12/7/18 5:02 PM, Tom Ashcraft wrote:
OK, I *think* that having more or less successfully substituted imap.ge.xfinity.com for imap.comcast.net--currently with a certificate mis-match warning I don't yet know how to fix--is probably at least marginally more desirable than having to go through Xfinity mail website...
Because, going through the website, Comcast/Xfinity has greater opportunity to do their social engineering infantilization thing, further shape my perceptions, whither my digital self-reliance skillset, more fully exploit me as a consumer milk cow and allow government and corporations to better trace and predict my physical and economic movements should they desire to do so, etc.
But am I wrong, should I continue to use the website until I'm completely sure I have the certificate thing properly nailed?
On 12/7/18 4:13 PM, Casey Dentinger wrote:
I don't find receiving mail to be that bad but getting it successfully delivered is a place where the internet is hamstrung by corporations.
On 18-12-07 15:45:26, chochoms@earthlink.net wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: Casey Dentinger <dentinger@regnitned.net> Sent: Dec 7, 2018 2:46 PM To: nmglug@lists.nmglug.org Subject: Re: [nmglug] Comcast refuses to send mail to Linux desktop email clients
That escalated quickly :)
Also you don't need imap if you just use mutt locally
On Fri, Dec 7, 2018, at 2:43 PM, J Marsden DeLapp wrote:
On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 10:49:39 -0700 jason schaefer <js@jasonschaefer.com> wrote:
On 12/1/18 10:47 PM, Tom Ashcraft wrote: > What they can't steal from us most of seem to be willing to give to > them for free. So much for any hope of anonymity or privacy from > our > corporate overlords. Might as well let them tatoo a barcode on your > forehead--though that wouldn't be nearly as effective. Its worth pointing out that if you are concerned about these issues you shouldn't be using comcast for email... With a simple apt install postfix dovecot-imapd you can run your own mail server.
Mars
-- ============================================================= J. Marsden DeLapp, PE President I am following this discussion with great amusement. Maybe you guys know something I don't, but having your own email server or an email client on your desktop (phones of course are too insecure to use for anything important) seems like a lot of un-needed work trying to keep things secure. I concluded several years ago that I had neither the time nor the inclination (plus I am not expert enough in Linux) to harden my computer against email-carried malware. Also since someone could conceivably get into my computer I don't want them to have access to my email. Consequently I use web mail, (not GOOGLE!), because the ISP can do a lot better job than I at filtering out the malware and protecting against crackers. If I need to send something encrypted or very sensitive I use Protonmail from CERN.
Problem solved. Doesn't matter what Comcast or anyone else allows, plus I can check my mail on any computer in the world.
If I am wrong, please explain to this Linux neophyte why.
DeLapp & Associates, Inc. dba DeLapp Engineering. Providing lighting and power planning, design and analysis services for commercial, industrial and large residential facilities. 1190 Harrison Road Ste 3a Santa Fe NM 87507 (505) 983-5557 http://DeLapp.com ============================================================= _______________________________________________ nmglug mailing list nmglug@lists.nmglug.org http://lists.nmglug.org/listinfo.cgi/nmglug-nmglug.org
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