NMGLugers, What do you consider system requirements in 2020? I recently had a personal lapse in common sense by trying to upgrade ram in an older Asus EEE. It was pointless. Negligible change in performance. I had a feeling I was wasting my time, but I "had to try." Really not worth the effort. And I repeated a similar effort on an older laptop last week. So, I ask you to think about what are the System Requirements for an adequately performing laptop? Processor- Hard drive- Memory- Ports- Accessories? I have some ideas and will share them when we meet next week or if there is interest here. I think we can encourage wider adoption of Gnu/Linux by clearly advising newcomers and thinking clearly ourselves about not just keeping an older machine alive, but really enabling new users to take advantage of the great software we love. Free Software is great for all the things people do with a computer and we can help them see it if we think about what truly works. Thank you, Ted P.
In general I suggest getting a new laptop if you are on the 2nd core generation (Sandy Bridge) or older. If you are on a Celeron or Pentium and it isn't a recent generation, I wouldn't even bother upgrading the cpu, let alone ram. If you decide to go with AMD, you will want a Ryzen, nothing older. I typically try to get people to buy some of the used ~$400 ThinkPads on ebay. You can get a used skylake laptop for a pretty decent price. Though if you are a keyboard snob, then you might want to research a bit to find a proper keyboard. If you are wanting to upgrade a desktop, they sell some pretty low priced used cpus that might be worth it. The older desktop cpus had much better performance than the laptop cpus, at least back in the day. I usually try to not suggest throwing newbies on older machines with Linux. Sometimes people think that Linux is slow, when it's just their POS machine. Jared On Feb 6 2020 4:35 PM, Ted Pomeroy wrote:
NMGLugers, What do you consider system requirements in 2020? I recently had a personal lapse in common sense by trying to upgrade ram in an older Asus EEE. It was pointless. Negligible change in performance. I had a feeling I was wasting my time, but I "had to try." Really not worth the effort. And I repeated a similar effort on an older laptop last week. So, I ask you to think about what are the System Requirements for an adequately performing laptop? Processor- Hard drive- Memory- Ports- Accessories?
I have some ideas and will share them when we meet next week or if there is interest here. I think we can encourage wider adoption of Gnu/Linux by clearly advising newcomers and thinking clearly ourselves about not just keeping an older machine alive, but really enabling new users to take advantage of the great software we love. Free Software is great for all the things people do with a computer and we can help them see it if we think about what truly works. Thank you, Ted P.
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NMGLugers & Jared, Thank you. Yes, an adequate CPU and about 8 GB ram seem required these days as the Internet has more embedded video and scripts of too many kinds. Also, our expectations for speed have grown with the use of cellphones. I think bargains can be found at the $200 level of used computers, though maybe my "Hobbyist" approach is start with an inadequate machine and build it up in steps by adding ram and proper hard drive, etc. Some newer laptops are omitting the accessible hatches for this though, even batteries now encased inside for a complete tear down to get at them. I am aware of the need to know about the CPU and lshw as root can show me what a CPU can do. I encountered a "Bay Trail" (tm) CPU that can only read one slot of ram. So I had to locate a single 8 GB piece. The characteristic of the CPU explained the absence of the second slot inside. And since it cannot do hyper threading it lacks some of the speed of better processors. Thank you for the input. Ted P. On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 7:06 PM ABQLUG <community@abqlug.com> wrote:
In general I suggest getting a new laptop if you are on the 2nd core generation (Sandy Bridge) or older. If you are on a Celeron or Pentium and it isn't a recent generation, I wouldn't even bother upgrading the cpu, let alone ram.
If you decide to go with AMD, you will want a Ryzen, nothing older.
I typically try to get people to buy some of the used ~$400 ThinkPads on ebay. You can get a used skylake laptop for a pretty decent price. Though if you are a keyboard snob, then you might want to research a bit to find a proper keyboard.
If you are wanting to upgrade a desktop, they sell some pretty low priced used cpus that might be worth it. The older desktop cpus had much better performance than the laptop cpus, at least back in the day.
I usually try to not suggest throwing newbies on older machines with Linux. Sometimes people think that Linux is slow, when it's just their POS machine.
Jared
On Feb 6 2020 4:35 PM, Ted Pomeroy wrote:
NMGLugers, What do you consider system requirements in 2020? I recently had a personal lapse in common sense by trying to upgrade ram in an older Asus EEE. It was pointless. Negligible change in performance. I had a feeling I was wasting my time, but I "had to try." Really not worth the effort. And I repeated a similar effort on an older laptop last week. So, I ask you to think about what are the System Requirements for an adequately performing laptop? Processor- Hard drive- Memory- Ports- Accessories?
I have some ideas and will share them when we meet next week or if there is interest here. I think we can encourage wider adoption of Gnu/Linux by clearly advising newcomers and thinking clearly ourselves about not just keeping an older machine alive, but really enabling new users to take advantage of the great software we love. Free Software is great for all the things people do with a computer and we can help them see it if we think about what truly works. Thank you, Ted P.
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On Feb 6 2020 4:35 PM, Ted Pomeroy wrote:
NMGLugers, What do you consider system requirements in 2020?
On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 7:06 PM ABQLUG <community@abqlug.com> wrote:
In general I suggest getting a new laptop if you are on the 2nd core generation (Sandy Bridge) or older. If you are on a Celeron or Pentium
Ted Pomeroy writes:
NMGLugers & Jared, Thank you. Yes, an adequate CPU and about 8 GB ram seem required these days as the Internet has more embedded video and scripts of
It really depends on what you do and what desktop environment you prefer. My last laptop is a Celeron from about 2015 with 2G RAM (it cost less than $200 when it was new, and came with Linux). It's still quite usable and responsive with a lightweight window manager (Openbox). Firefox takes a while to start up but runs fine once it's up; same with programs like LibreOffice and qgis. Just don't run a big desktop and don't try to run several big programs at once. That might be the limit, though. I've tried to install Linux on a few older machines with <2G and that doesn't seem to be enough to run a modern browser without big lags -- presumably swapping. We have several Raspberry Pi 3 workstations at Los Alamos Makers (1Gb) and they work okay for learning programming languages like Python and Scratch and Arduino, but the browser (I think they use chromium) is quite laggy. ...Akkana
NMGKugers, Akkana Peck writes: "My last laptop is a Celeron from about 2015 with 2G RAM (it cost less than $200 when it was new, and came with Linux). It's still quite usable and responsive with a lightweight window manager (Openbox). Firefox takes a while to start up but runs fine once it's up; same with programs like LibreOffice and qgis. Just don't run a big desktop and don't try to run several big programs at once.... I've tried to install Linux on a few older machines with <2G and that doesn't seem to be enough to run a modern browser without big lags -- presumably swapping. We have several Raspberry Pi 3 workstations at Los Alamos Makers (1Gb) and they work okay for learning programming languages like Python and Scratch and Arduino, but the browser (I think they use chromium) is quite laggy." While we who are familiar can establish work arounds or do our programming it is noted that the deficits of the machines described are clear and, like old shoes, comfortable by daily use and adjustment. I agree with Jared on this, we are not doing a friendly outreach or being encouraging to new normal users if we insist they make accommodations from the start. Alas, the old machines are good enough for programming and doing math, but for today's Internet and user expectations, No, not good enough. Thank you, Ted P. On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 8:51 AM Akkana Peck <akkana@shallowsky.com> wrote:
On Feb 6 2020 4:35 PM, Ted Pomeroy wrote:
NMGLugers, What do you consider system requirements in 2020?
On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 7:06 PM ABQLUG <community@abqlug.com> wrote:
In general I suggest getting a new laptop if you are on the 2nd core generation (Sandy Bridge) or older. If you are on a Celeron or Pentium
Ted Pomeroy writes:
NMGLugers & Jared, Thank you. Yes, an adequate CPU and about 8 GB ram seem required these days as the Internet has more embedded video and scripts of
It really depends on what you do and what desktop environment you prefer. My last laptop is a Celeron from about 2015 with 2G RAM (it cost less than $200 when it was new, and came with Linux). It's still quite usable and responsive with a lightweight window manager (Openbox). Firefox takes a while to start up but runs fine once it's up; same with programs like LibreOffice and qgis. Just don't run a big desktop and don't try to run several big programs at once.
That might be the limit, though. I've tried to install Linux on a few older machines with <2G and that doesn't seem to be enough to run a modern browser without big lags -- presumably swapping. We have several Raspberry Pi 3 workstations at Los Alamos Makers (1Gb) and they work okay for learning programming languages like Python and Scratch and Arduino, but the browser (I think they use chromium) is quite laggy.
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