It still seems like things could shake out either way, but are folks planning on moving the nmglug irc channel to libera.chat or stick it out with freenode? Hackaday has a decent summary for folks out of the loop: https://hackaday.com/2021/05/20/freenode-debacle-prompts-staff-exodus-new-ne...
It still seems like things could shake out either way, but are folks planning on moving the nmglug irc channel to libera.chat or stick it out with freenode?
If I might make a suggestion, IRC's model is annoying to many, including a super old timer such as myself. How about creating a Matrix room? There are many distributed chat systems vying for that space, but matrix has shown robustness handling thousands of people at major free/open-source conferences, and is convincing skeptics. Another candidate is mattermost, but I find it harder to get going. rocketchat is nice, but it seems to be losing out in the "market"-share battle. Of course it's all based on free s/w, with no proprietary javascript bits if you run it in your browser. There are also desktop and mobile apps that are free as well.
I’m fond of IRC though I wonder how much of it is nostalgia - I am of the impression that IRC is showing its age and there are a lot of inconsistencies in client implementations. I’ve heard good things about things about Matrix - most of the complaints about it seem to be philosophical rather than technical.
On May 26, 2021, at 6:53 PM, Mark Galassi <mark@galassi.org> wrote:
It still seems like things could shake out either way, but are folks planning on moving the nmglug irc channel to libera.chat or stick it out with freenode?
If I might make a suggestion, IRC's model is annoying to many, including a super old timer such as myself.
How about creating a Matrix room?
There are many distributed chat systems vying for that space, but matrix has shown robustness handling thousands of people at major free/open-source conferences, and is convincing skeptics. Another candidate is mattermost, but I find it harder to get going. rocketchat is nice, but it seems to be losing out in the "market"-share battle.
Of course it's all based on free s/w, with no proprietary javascript bits if you run it in your browser. There are also desktop and mobile apps that are free as well.
Mark Galassi writes:
If I might make a suggestion, IRC's model is annoying to many, including a super old timer such as myself.
How about creating a Matrix room?
I'm curious: what's annoying about IRC that Matrix fixes?
Of course it's all based on free s/w, with no proprietary javascript bits if you run it in your browser. There are also desktop and mobile apps that are free as well.
What open source Matrix client(s) do you recommend? aptitude search matrix on Ubuntu finds a lot of libraries but I'm not seeing anything that looks like a client, and none of the clients listed on https://matrix.org/clients/ seem to be available in the ubuntu repos. I'm game to try it if you can recommend a client. I gather that bridging between Matrix and IRC is supposed to be easy, though? So maybe we could have an IRC bridge, which would then give everyone a big choice of IRC clients. ...Akkana
Neochat is nice. It works with the Garuda Linux distro. On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 8:43 AM Akkana Peck <akkana@shallowsky.com> wrote:
Mark Galassi writes:
If I might make a suggestion, IRC's model is annoying to many, including a super old timer such as myself.
How about creating a Matrix room?
I'm curious: what's annoying about IRC that Matrix fixes?
Of course it's all based on free s/w, with no proprietary javascript bits if you run it in your browser. There are also desktop and mobile apps that are free as well.
What open source Matrix client(s) do you recommend? aptitude search matrix on Ubuntu finds a lot of libraries but I'm not seeing anything that looks like a client, and none of the clients listed on https://matrix.org/clients/ seem to be available in the ubuntu repos. I'm game to try it if you can recommend a client.
I gather that bridging between Matrix and IRC is supposed to be easy, though? So maybe we could have an IRC bridge, which would then give everyone a big choice of IRC clients.
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Had no idea there was an NMGLUG IRC channel On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 10:07 AM Wesley Robbins <wezzels@gmail.com> wrote:
Neochat is nice. It works with the Garuda Linux distro.
On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 8:43 AM Akkana Peck <akkana@shallowsky.com> wrote:
Mark Galassi writes:
If I might make a suggestion, IRC's model is annoying to many, including a super old timer such as myself.
How about creating a Matrix room?
I'm curious: what's annoying about IRC that Matrix fixes?
Of course it's all based on free s/w, with no proprietary javascript bits if you run it in your browser. There are also desktop and mobile apps that are free as well.
What open source Matrix client(s) do you recommend? aptitude search matrix on Ubuntu finds a lot of libraries but I'm not seeing anything that looks like a client, and none of the clients listed on https://matrix.org/clients/ seem to be available in the ubuntu repos. I'm game to try it if you can recommend a client.
I gather that bridging between Matrix and IRC is supposed to be easy, though? So maybe we could have an IRC bridge, which would then give everyone a big choice of IRC clients.
...Akkana _______________________________________________ nmglug mailing list nmglug@lists.nmglug.org http://lists.nmglug.org/listinfo.cgi/nmglug-nmglug.org
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Telegram is an open-source option as well ... but I have no issues with IRC, I can see there might be an issue with freenode though ... I think most folks will prefer a more modern chat area, ofc Element is the client I use for Matrix on GNU/Linux works fine ... bit wonky/crusty user / GUI experience, same with phone clients. Telegram is more polished and simpler, tons of bot projects that could be easily tailored to our "needs" etc. JMH On 5/27/21 10:07 AM, Wesley Robbins wrote:
Neochat is nice. It works with the Garuda Linux distro.
On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 8:43 AM Akkana Peck <akkana@shallowsky.com <mailto:akkana@shallowsky.com>> wrote:
Mark Galassi writes: > If I might make a suggestion, IRC's model is annoying to many, including a super old timer such as myself. > > How about creating a Matrix room?
I'm curious: what's annoying about IRC that Matrix fixes?
> Of course it's all based on free s/w, with no proprietary javascript bits if you run it in your browser. There are also desktop and mobile apps that are free as well.
What open source Matrix client(s) do you recommend? aptitude search matrix on Ubuntu finds a lot of libraries but I'm not seeing anything that looks like a client, and none of the clients listed on https://matrix.org/clients/ <https://matrix.org/clients/> seem to be available in the ubuntu repos. I'm game to try it if you can recommend a client.
I gather that bridging between Matrix and IRC is supposed to be easy, though? So maybe we could have an IRC bridge, which would then give everyone a big choice of IRC clients.
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Telegram is an open-source option as well ...
Telegram was designed for individual and small group interactions, and its server is not free s/w. That does not affect someone who just runs the client, but it's a drag. It is also (like signal) dependent on a phone number. I use telegram's free clients pretty much only to talk to the existing large user base. I use signal for most of my individual interaction - the underpinnings of signal are solid if you look at how Moxie Marlinspike structured the non-profit behind it. But the space IRC used to fill was a very different space: it's the large decentralized chat room space rather than a replacement for the ancient unix write/talk and the old ICQ/AIM 2-person-or-small-group instant messaging approaches. You can do it with telegram and signal, but it's not meant for that. I've tried inviting a bunch of nmglug (and ask me if my invitation did not get to you) to the experimental matrix room I just made; let's see how it is.
Two things re the Matrix rooms Mark set up: Last night, I was able to connect to element.io via the invitations Mark sent. There were two rooms: initially we were talking on nmglug, but then we moved to a different room, nmglug-room. But today, I can log in but it's only showing me nmglug, not nmglug-room. Also, I don't find the web interface very usable and wanted an alternative. I'm already using bitlbee to follow Twitter as a tab in hexchat, and it turns out that libpurple can talk to matrix and there's a bitlbee plugin for libpurple. It was surprisingly easy to set up: On Ubuntu I ran sudo apt-get bitlbee-libpurple restarted bitlbee sudo service bitlbee restart then in the &bitlbee tab, typed the two lines from https://wiki.bitlbee.org/HowtoMatrix : account add matrix @username:matrix.org password account matrix on and it logged me in to matrix and gave me a new tab with the nmglug matrix room. ...Akkana
There were two rooms [...]
Yeah, the story there is that I found I was able to rename the original (annoyingly configured) room to nmglug-donotuse, so now nmglug is the right one, and I think you're in. In your description of hexchat+bitlbee setup I was not able to follow it - I have not used hexchat, so the jargon escaped me. What is the ^bitlbee tab? How do you get it? If I start hexchat after your instructions I don't see anything that looks like a tab.
Mark Galassi writes:
Yeah, the story there is that I found I was able to rename the original (annoyingly configured) room to nmglug-donotuse, so now nmglug is the right one, and I think you're in.
Got it! But a little while after we chatted a little this morning in nmglug, I got kicked out of the room: "You have been kicked from #!tgptWbstjQjsXIAZZT:mat by root".
In your description of hexchat+bitlbee setup I was not able to follow it - I have not used hexchat, so the jargon escaped me. What is the ^bitlbee tab? How do you get it? If I start hexchat after your instructions I don't see anything that looks like a tab.
Bitlbee is a separate piece of software which gateways lots of different protocols to IRC, so you can view non-IRC things in an IRC reader. Read about it at https://www.bitlbee.org/ It sets up an IRC "server" on localhost port 6667. I've been using it for Twitter, so I can see my twitter timeline in a tab in hexchat. In hexchat, every IRC channel has its own tab. So for example if I join #nmglug on freenet I get a new tab; if I join ##linux that's another tab. After installing bitlbee, you can set up a bitlbee "server" in hexchat, on localhost/6667, and connect to it, which opens a server tab for bitlbee control messages, plus a tab for any bitlbee accounts I've configured. So I cam have a tab for twitter, a tab for nmglug on Matrix, a tab for the Raspberry Pi Club on Discord, etc. Each of those tabs corresponds to an account I've set up in Bitlbee. To get bitlbee set up in the first place, there's a user guide and a wiki at https://www.bitlbee.org/ I also wrote a blog article years ago about how I got it set up with Twitter: https://shallowsky.com/blog/tech/bitlbee.html but most of that is Twitter-specific and isn't needed for Matrix. That page I pointed to, https://wiki.bitlbee.org/HowtoMatrix assumes you've already installed bitlbee and bitlbee-libpurple, defined a bitlbee server in your IRC client and connected to it, which opens up a bitlbee server tab if you're using hexchat, and that's where you type those "account" commands. ...Akkana
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